Curse

Riot Narita · Nov 10, 2009, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by Cracko

Great, I've only gotten it on one character

You got the quest on one character.
Rejoice! You didn't completely screw yourself.

So you don't get to repeat it on other characters. Big deal - it's not as if the quest rewards are mini Kanaxai's. Some gold, XP,and a scroll are hardly worth throwing your toys out of the pram... and if you wanted ToT bags you would have farmed a dozen stacks of them over Halloween, and repeated the 4th quest for several more stacks... making the 100 ToT bags from the 5th quest pretty insignificant.

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Originally Posted by Cracko

where did it say he would be leaving "shortly"?

The Steward himself said it when he gave you the last quest. Mad King has left for the year, Steward must follow him. A nano-second of thought at that time, and you might have concluded that: "since I don't know how long the Steward will remain, I'd better take the quest on every character I can".

Cracko · Nov 10, 2009, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Hissy

You got the quest on one character.
Rejoice! You didn't completely screw yourself.

So you don't get to repeat it on other characters. Big deal - it's not as if the quest rewards are mini Kanaxai's. Some gold, XP,and a scroll are hardly worth throwing your toys out of the pram... and if you wanted ToT bags you would have farmed a dozen stacks of them over Halloween, and repeated the 4th quest for several more stacks... making the 100 ToT bags from the 5th quest pretty insignificant.

The Steward himself said it when he gave you the last quest. Mad King has left for the year, Steward must follow him. A nano-second of thought at that time, and you might have concluded that: "since I don't know how long the Steward will remain, I'd better take the quest on every character I can".

me and a lot of people would think he would just stay there till some time after the update comes out, but failure to communicate = win.

Chico · Nov 10, 2009, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by Hissy

The Steward himself said it when he gave you the last quest. Mad King has left for the year, Steward must follow him. A nano-second of thought at that time, and you might have concluded that: "since I don't know how long the Steward will remain, I'd better take the quest on every character I can".

If you didn't visit LA after the halloween finale, how would you have known a Steward was still there and already know that he offered a new quest and know that he would leave "shortly"?

This is clearly a goof up.

buzzerman · Nov 10, 2009, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by Hissy

Everyone who was aware of Halloween (and Halloween was announced in the login messages), should have been able to stumble across the Mad King's Steward, with the big exclamation mark over his head. And take quests accordingly.

Not true, as far as I can tell this particular quest was not offered as part of the Halloween events but only much later, without prior notice, after the regular Halloween party events/quests had already ended.

I am displeased with the way Anet handled this, as I am now one of those who missed this apparently major new quest (and thus the new (?) content) just because I took a few days break right after the Halloween party..

IlikeGW · Nov 10, 2009, 05:38 PM // 17:38

I didn't notice the Regina comment for several days either. Lucky to get it on my characters... but why they've stopped using their brains and doing things civilly like using the announcement system to explain to people to get the quest... I just don't know. Maybe they need a vacation, or brain surgery.

smilingscar · Nov 10, 2009, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Honestly people.

-It was in the quest dialog.
-It was on the official updates page.
-It was on the wiki.
-It was on the forum.
-I assume guilds other than mine posted it as an announcement as well.

Dhuum is most likely being implemented to counter uwsc, you will get to fight him (if you wish) without this quest. All that you will miss out on are the quest rewards, which you could earn faster by farming anyway.

IlikeGW · Nov 10, 2009, 07:31 PM // 19:31

"* The Mad King's Steward will soon depart to serve his master, but he has one last word for all the brave souls willing to join the battle against Dhuum's minions."

That's not the same as saying "Take the quest now, because when the quest is actually doable, you won't be able to take it." Regina only posted that on a journal and as a single sentence on a forum, both things no player should expect to be the official news source. It would have taken all of 3 seconds to write in on the website and in-game. Oh well. As I said I luckily, finally noticed that... but I expect the amount of people who don't play the game anymore and figured why log-in to just get the quest a bunch of times, I'll do it when the quest actually works... is going to be large.

Chthon · Nov 10, 2009, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by smilingscar

Honestly people.

-It was in the quest dialog.
-It was on the official updates page.
-It was on the wiki.
-It was on the forum.
-I assume guilds other than mine posted it as an announcement as well.

Dhuum is most likely being implemented to counter uwsc, you will get to fight him (if you wish) without this quest. All that you will miss out on are the quest rewards, which you could earn faster by farming anyway.

That's my bet. You probably get the 5k for nothing.

smilingscar · Nov 10, 2009, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by IlikeGW

"* The Mad King's Steward will soon depart to serve his master, but he has one last word for all the brave souls willing to join the battle against Dhuum's minions."

That's not the same as saying "Take the quest now, because when the quest is actually doable, you won't be able to take it."

True, but I think anyone who has played this game for any length of time knows that if you want to do a quest, you need to obtain it on that specific character. I think people also understand that quests come from a quest-giver, and if you take that npc away the quest can no longer be obtained. That’s how quests work. If they bothered to actually read what the Steward said, they would understand that he was leaving quite shortly.

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I expect the amount of people who don't play the game anymore and figured why log-in to just get the quest a bunch of times, I'll do it when the quest actually works... is going to be large.

The quest was working, it was available. If the quest hadn’t been working, it would have been unavailable. The real problem stems from people jumping to conclusions and automatically assuming that the quest is broken. Also, why are you basing the success of communication on people who don’t play the game anymore? To expect them to as well informed as people who are active players is too much.

I just can’t comprehend how someone could not follow this thought process: “if this npc is offering a quest today and will be gone soon, I better get this quest now.” How do you expect to complete a quest on a character which doesn’t have it in their log? Honestly, If people didn’t care enough to actually log in and read the quest dialog (and comprehend it), then they shouldn’t care that much about the quest reward.

Also, has there ever been a single quest that has been put on the log-in screen? I don’t think there has been (at least I can’t remember one). Why would anyone expect to get news about this from there then?

HawkofStorms · Nov 10, 2009, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Hissy

You got the quest on one character.
Rejoice! You didn't completely screw yourself.

So you don't get to repeat it on other characters. Big deal - it's not as if the quest rewards are mini Kanaxai's. Some gold, XP,and a scroll are hardly worth throwing your toys out of the pram... and if you wanted ToT bags you would have farmed a dozen stacks of them over Halloween, and repeated the 4th quest for several more stacks... making the 100 ToT bags from the 5th quest pretty insignificant.

The Steward himself said it when he gave you the last quest. Mad King has left for the year, Steward must follow him. A nano-second of thought at that time, and you might have concluded that: "since I don't know how long the Steward will remain, I'd better take the quest on every character I can".

Thank you.

Elrahir · Nov 10, 2009, 08:54 PM // 20:54

I wonder why Anet doesn't use the Announce box on the log-in screen for this kind of information, instead of old warning for gold sellers etc..

I mean, how many people reads Regina's journal or extremely slow load Guru anyway? Very few. It's not like the content updates are overwhelming.. they could actually use this Announcement box once in a while to inform people what's going on in-game, not only weekend events, especially when it's about one of the only content updates this year.

I, together with some of you other, were clever enough to pick up quest on all chars before the stewards disappeared, but I'm sure many people missed it. They could have specified somewhere when he was gonna be removed and announced it on log-in screen at least a day or so in advance, especially since the stewards have been there a while now and kept appearing and disappearing.

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Originally Posted by Jaskaran

i hope the boss is a giant level: 38 with 3000 hp and infinite energy.. that way it will be almost impossible to solo and you will need to form a party of 12 which has never been in the game and would be very cool...

3000 hp? Pfff... That would be lame...

Rotscale has like 20,000hp... Dhuum should have at least 50k hp

Ghost Dog · Nov 10, 2009, 09:09 PM // 21:09

I barely even play this game any more and I managed to get the quest.

Maybe people should read instead of CLICK CLICK CLICK LETS GO!

Reformed · Nov 10, 2009, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by Elrahir

Dhuum should have at least 50k hp

The old Duncan had about that much. The 115 or so from Spoil Victor barely made his bar move...like cutting down a tree with a butter knife. Not really difficult or fun to beat away that much hp just tedious.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Nov 10, 2009, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by Cluebag

Wow. Just wow.

I'm having a hard time trying to come up with words to express my disbelief here. I've witnessed some pretty stupid ass things in my lifetime, things that are beyond comprehension, and it never ceases to amaze me how a seemingly not-complex evolution becomes this abortionized mess, complete with football bats and flipper-armed flailing about and otherwise full speed ahead RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOery.

For a "one time only" holiday quest to get delayed is one thing. To have the npc quest giver come and go and come and go and come and go is another. To have a warning on some wiki journal that only a smattering of people pay any attention to is another issue. The fact that the warning was some sort of incredulous quasi info stating "oh yeah, btw, yeahhh, that quest you were trying to knock out, yeahhh, that quest will available some time in the future (like the xth return) so... go ahead and take that quest now because, like, um, yeahhh, that npc has to go away and you won't be able to take the quest later... yeahhh". Because that makes complete sense, taking a quest days in advance because the npc is going to be removed from the game, for a (delayed) one-time quest that allegedly will become active some day, eventually...

/double thumbs up

/crackpipe

Wow.

Yeah when a quest in an MMO can't be gotten anymore you KNOW the human race is completely doomed. GW is srsbznz after all.

Another Felldspar · Nov 10, 2009, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Chico

If you didn't visit LA after the halloween finale, how would you have known a Steward was still there and already know that he offered a new quest and know that he would leave "shortly"?

This is clearly a goof up.

How do you ever know anything about a quest? Let's see... The player sees a big green exclamation point and clicks on the person (or sometimes object) and quest dialog appears. The quest dialog gives the player details about about the quest and tells the player, in a general fashion, what they need to do to complete the quest. In this instance a part of that quest dialog was that The Mad King's Steward would soon be departing. Hmmm... Maybe that means he'll leave. Soon. Or something like that.

In the meantime Regina's journal has said since Nov. 5 that The Mad King's Steward would be leaving. Soon. That could mean that he really is going to leave. Soon.

Clearly there is a goof-up involved for anyone who is now bitching that they didn't get the quest, or get it on as many characters as they would have liked. But the goof up is the player's, not A-Net's. A-net communicated the intent to remove the Steward perfectly well.

I don't know how much more clear Regina could have possibly been -- this is copied directly from her journal:

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Originally Posted by Regina

The Mad King's Steward is offering a new quest today, but he will not remain in Lion's Arch and Kamadan for too long, so if you're willing to answer the call to arms against Dhuum, you will need to speak to him while he's there. After he's gone, you won't be able to accept that quest.
Please also note that the "waiting" referenced in the quest text is not a matter of hours, but days.

She not only clearly says that you can't get the quest once he's gone, but she also specifies that it will be only a matter of days, not hours, not weeks, not months, that he will be available.

Reading is FUNdamental.

own age myname · Nov 10, 2009, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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Originally Posted by Ayelet Feldspar

-snip-

You don't get the point.

HOW MANY PEOPLE CHECK OUT REGINA'S JOURNAL?

Oh wait, only the kiss asses and a few stray people checking for info. They could of just put it as an announcement. Problem solved.

Jensy · Nov 10, 2009, 10:32 PM // 22:32

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Originally Posted by Ayelet Feldspar

She not only clearly says that you can't get the quest once he's gone, but she also specifies that it will be only a matter of days, not hours, not weeks, not months, that he will be available.

Reading is FUNdamental.

This. Blaming anet because you can't be arsed to find information = fail. Claiming that they should have put it into the login box because you're too lazy to read websites/forums (though, clearly, you're reading NOW, so...) = fail.

This thread has spiraled into so much fail, that the only wise thing to do at this point is 'close thread' -_-

Fay Vert · Nov 10, 2009, 10:45 PM // 22:45

I wonder how many casual players who log in once or twice a week completely missed this opportunity. Especially since they probably logged on more than normal for the haloween event anyway, which ended before this popped up.

As far as I know, this was not posted on any official notice, just forums and wiki chat, so yes, they could have done more here, there was no real atempt to let the player abse know of this.

Another Felldspar · Nov 10, 2009, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

I wonder how many casual players who log in once or twice a week completely missed this opportunity. Especially since they probably logged on more than normal for the haloween event anyway, which ended before this popped up.

As far as I know, this was not posted on any official notice, just forums and wiki chat, so yes, they could have done more here, there was no real atempt to let the player abse know of this.

There was a build for God's sake -- a build that had update notes that told players that the Steward had returned to Lion's Arch and Kamadan. Surely that would be a clue to go and see him.

I don't understand why people believe that there should have been a log-in announcement for a quest that is only available in 2 of the 3 chapters. It doesn't make sense.

P_A_A · Nov 10, 2009, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Quest has been available for about a week. If you log twice a week you should have been able to get it.